A man's life is like a drop of dew on a leaf - Socrates

Friday, August 29, 2008

Walls to break down

Mending Wall
by Robert Frost

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."

Nate Notes

The new wisdom of breaking down walls challenges the conventional wisdom of "good fences make good neighbors." True wisdom lies in discerning which boundaries to respect and which boundaries to reach across to bridge a divide.

Comments on comments

Wow did I get a great response from my Alas! A question. . . post. I am thrilled at the dialogue and comments that were submitted. There was also a great variety of perspectives. So thank you to everyone who contributed!

Some of the comments brought out questions or comments that I would like to respond to.

Ki said, "I would like to hear more about what the difference between consensual and abuse type are. Not many people understand that there is a non-abuse type polygamy."

Essentially the distinctions are the same as in monogamous relationships. As long as the participating individuals who enter into polygamous relationships are legally adults (18+); are doing so by there own free will and choice; strive to raise any children which come into that relationship as happy and healthy members of society; and do not abuse the welfare system; I classify this as an acceptable, consensual relationship. Conversely, any polygamous arrangement which involves underage children (17 or less, and don't send me your bogus arguments...if monogamists can wait till 18 -- SO CAN YOU!); any forced marriage; children that are raised in neglect and/or duress; and misuse the welfare system; I classify this as an abusive system.

I had a couple of comments advising the use of the constitutional argument. I whole heartedly agree with the constitutional argument and it is a strong argument. However it takes a an amendment to change the Constitution. That is why I chose the privacy argument, there is already a judicial precedence and decriminalization is a ready and relatively painless solution.

There were some comments to the affect that citizens don't get to pick and choose which laws they follow, illegal is illegal, and how the "just law" argument can be used to pervert justice. I understand all these points and believe it or not, I agree with them. Rather than create a 10 page blog outlining the distinctions between my argument and the the points made, I would like to recommend a book: The Roots of American Order by Russell Kirk.
One of my commenters strongly stated, "I don’t like your hypocritical and bigoted (or ethnocentric) arguments at all. It may be fun to brand government officers as hypocritical but it is lame. And implying a whole nation is bigoted is whiney victimhood."

Hmmm. . . how do I address this one. . . Well, to start out - I'm sorry you don't like my hypocritical, bigoted, and ethnocentric arguments. You don't tell me why. . . I suspect you don't like the big ugly words. Let me assure you I did not throw them around lightly nor did I use them inaccurately. Let me ask you, why don't you like those arguments? Is it the arguments you vehemently dislike, or the labels? Why don't you like those labels? More importantly is there some truth to my use of these descriptions?

I don't have a problem if others disagree with polygamy. I respect if others believe the practice is immoral, against their religious tenants or traditions. I would hope their objections are thought out and reasonable instead of reactionary. None the less, it is something else entirely to jail pluralists for the practice. Especially if the impulse to incarcerate is born of prejudice and cultural bias.

Now to address the "It may be fun to brand government officers as hypocritical but it is lame." This is ironic because I felt I exercised a great deal of restraint when it came to this issue. What is more, I was particular to indite only those politicians, justices, and legislators "who formulate and pass laws, prosecute citizens, seize assets, and break up families to pander to the prejudices of their majority constituents." Let me assure anyone who agrees with this comment, I don't flippantly view my pointed remark as "fun", and my criticism is certainly not lame. What is lame is to have a judge, on the flimsy evidence of a phone call (later proved to be entirely false), order a combined law enforcement force to roll into a town in tanks, with riot gear, and automatic weapons and seize all the women and children.

I wonder what these girls will think when Officer Friendly comes to school and passes out plastic badges and coloring books?

Is it lame to criticize the unjust exercise of power by those in authority?

As a hypothetical situation, how many would think I was having fun and being lame if I criticize officials who rolled into the Village in Manhattan with tanks, riot gear, and automatic weapons then placed under custody all the children of homosexuals and their biological parents, while arresting a few of the life partners? I wonder, would the same judge and executive officials do the same to a gay community-- because of a phone call?! Why should I refrain from branding as hypocrite a legislator to craft bills that specifically targeting the minority alternative lifestyle of polygamy but wouldn't dare do the same to other minority alternative lifestyles that are more generally accepted and empathized with by the public? Where are the task forces established by state attorney generals, governors, and funded by the state legislatures to stigmatize other entire minority groups and specifically target and prosecute them?

At no time did I imply that the entire nation was bigoted. I invite you to carefully read my post again. I did emphatically state it is bigotry to jail polygamists for bigamy.

To close on an up note, I am grateful for all the comments and viewpoints (even if they stir me up). It is good for me to find out what they are and learn from them. I hope some of my responses stir your feelings and cause you to think deeply about some fundamental (no pun intended) and complex issues. As good ol' Socrates put it, "The unexamined life is not worth living."

Thank you and keep the comments coming!

Friday, August 22, 2008

Tag. . . I'm it . . .

Bare Joyfoot tagged me...so here I go...

The Rules:
• Link the person who tagged you.
• Mention the rules on your blog.
• Tell about 6 unspectacular quirks of yours.
• Tag a fellow blogger by linking.

Quirk 1 - I sometimes unconsciously humm while I eat

Quirk 2 - I absolutely shred Kleenex boxes (not the Kleenexes, only the box) if there is one close by while I am on the phone

Quirk 3 - I don't like things microwaved. . . I'll only eat popcorn microwaved (and I and only I shall outlast the roaches. . .aah ha ha ha haaaa)

Quirk 4 - I hate sauces on my food, but I more intensely dislike Mayo or Miracle Whip of all the evil sauces

Quirk 5 - I am a food separatist, I do not believe in my dinner's right to assemble

Quirk 6 - I like my card board pizza cut into strips, not triangles

I was tagged by Bare Joyfoot and I tag Astrix

Tuesday, August 12, 2008

Pondering the poll

The question: A gentleman pays for the date...


The results:
  • 4 voted most certainly with a snooty French aire
  • 3 said at least on the first date
  • 1 was flexible
  • and no radicals insisting they pay their own way

Traditional values and chivalry are strong among my readers. . . anonymous carried the sentiment of my commenteers with "It depends who asks who on the date. If it's the guy's idea he better own it."

Now I have always been willing to step up to my chivalrous duties, however my philosophy has been to never spend money on another man's wife. In other words, no expensive dates with the girl unless you plan on marrying her. What is more, I have found there is an inverse relationship between the amount of money spent on a date and the amount of fun on a date. The more I spent the less fun it tended to be, the less I spent the more fun I had. I have been on lots of dates, both before and after marriage. . .twice. Here are some of the economical dates I would recommend for the young suitor and broke as well as the old married and broke.


  1. Cosco Dog and Drink - $1.50 - This is a great date! Two people fed in one of America's greatest capitalist institutions (ambiance) with an all American meal (fine food) at an all American price (affordable). Plus their is a rare opportunity not found in most conventional dates. . .an opportunity to talk.

  2. Down Town - Free - Any free museums, historic sites, shopping malls, or cool spots to view your town or city. Have you visited your state capitol? County Seat? City Hall? Any and every town or city has history, go find out what it is. This is great idea in any season... winter - you have the holiday lights, autumn - you have the turning leaves, and spring - the new growth.

  3. Out of Town - Free to $12 - There are so many cool places to hike or go camping. I have camped all over the U.S. You can always find a National or State Park or Forest. There is nothing like getting to know someone. . .naturally.

  4. Spaghetti Bash - $3 - This is really fun with a group date! You have all the guys bring a package of pasta (any kind) and all the girls bring a small jar of store bought spaghetti sauce. All the pasta goes in one giant pot and all the sauce in another giant pot. This gets cool if one Joe brought lasagna noodles, another macaroni, and the third angel hair. And who knows what the sauce will end up tasting like. If it is payday that week you can also have every one bring a favorite frozen juice for $2 (it has to be 100% fruit juice, no cocktails) and mix it together. As crazy as this sounds it always works out tasting good. Make sure have some games close by and you are set with food and fun.

  5. Summer Pool Movie - Free - If you just have to do a movie. . .do it with a splash. Set up the TV by the pool and grab your floaty pool loungers. To add more fun pick a random black and white movie from the library that no one has seen before. Guys pick a noun, verb, or adjective you predict will be used a lot during the movie, gals do the same. When the gal's word comes up in the movie, the guys have to flip themselves and vise versa.

I have given you some of my favorites, what are some great cheap dates you have been on? Leave me your list in the comments!

Saturday, August 9, 2008

Pookah post

It has been a long journey but certainly worth it to make sure she will walk tall and walk strong... let's take a walk down memory lane...

Pookah in her harness

Pookah before surgery

Pookah after surgery

Pookah's first cast

Pookah on the move


Pookah in the second cast


Pookah out of her cast on July 8, 2008



Boo!

New pictures on slideshow...check


Hey all, check out the updated and new pictures on the slideshows on the left side bar!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

New poll!


Been a long time since I did a poll. Don't ask me why, this was the question that poped in my head.

Go ahead, cast you vote fearlessly and leave a piece of your mind in a comment!

Something different

I have been crazy busy with my new position at work and it seems all that I can do to post Friday's with Frost each week. I want thank you for patiently tuning in. . .

Here are some things I hope to post to my blog by next week:

  • New pictures of the children on the slideshow, they have grown so much
  • A Pookah post, she got her cast off a while ago
  • A Gid post with updates and all
  • Shabbat at Wheeler Farm
  • And some comments on comments from FATFQ

This will inject some variety and life back into my blog. So keep your fingers crossed for me and keep checking my blog.

Friday, August 1, 2008

The best investment. . .

The Investment
by Robert Frost

Over back where they speak of life as staying
('You couldn't call it living, for it ain't'),
There was an old, old house renewed with paint,
And in it a piano loudly playing.

Out in the plowed ground in the cold a digger,
Among unearthed potatoes standing still,
Was counting winter dinners, one a hill,
With half an ear to the piano's vigor.

All that piano and new paint back there,
Was it some money suddenly come into?
Or some extravagance young love had been to?
Or old love on an impulse not to care--

Not to sink under being man and wife,
But get some color and music out of life?

Nate Notes

Franks Lloyd Wright said, "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities."

I am not encouraging fiscal recklessness. I am saying that a little luxury here and there can breathe some needed joy in life. A luxury doesn't always have to be expensive either, rather it should be well chosen.

Abundance to you and yours throughout your life. . .